[cardello]

sexxayyy. I need to build a pedalboard stat!

[D/S]

Hey gang! Got a few questions about my new pedal set up.

http://ecauble.googlepages.com/n77600626_30871668_3062.jpg
I know they are low-end pedals but I get a pretty good sound out of them.

I'm having some volume issues. I can't keep a consistent volume when mixing effects.

My tremolo cuts the volume down significantly when I have my OD on. Is there any way to solve this. Also, my wha pedal is extreamly loud when playing clean but as soon as I turn my OD on it quiets up.
I'm definitely going to move my compressor after my ODs. I just haven't done it yet. :)

Here's the way I have it set up now. Just like in the photo.

Digitech EX-7 expression factory (only use for volume swells and wha) > Boss TU2 Tuner > MXR Dyna Comp > Boss OD1 super over drive > Digitech OD tone driver > Digitech hot head distortion (rarely used) > Dan electro Phaser > Dan electro flanger > Dan electro Tremolo> Boss DD5 delay > Boss DD20 giga delay.

Is there a better way to arrange them? I will be moving the compressor. :)


Thanks,

D/S

[rolly]

what kind of amp do you have? does it have an effects loop?

if not, i'd do this:

Digitech EX-7 expression factory (only use for volume swells and wha) > Boss TU2 Tuner > Dan electro Phaser > Dan electro flanger > Dan electro Tremolo> Boss OD1 super over drive > Digitech OD tone driver > Digitech hot head distortion (rarely used) > MXR Dyna Comp > Boss DD5 delay > Boss DD20 giga delay.

putting the modulations before the drives will probably help smooth them out some since right now you're sending a hot signal into them. putting the compressor pretty much last will help keep the levels steady. if you have an effects loop, stick the delays in there.

[D/S]

rolly, on Jan 29 2009, 06:44 PM, said:

what kind of amp do you have? does it have an effects loop?

if not, i'd do this:

Digitech EX-7 expression factory (only use for volume swells and wha) > Boss TU2 Tuner > Dan electro Phaser > Dan electro flanger > Dan electro Tremolo> Boss OD1 super over drive > Digitech OD tone driver > Digitech hot head distortion (rarely used) > MXR Dyna Comp > Boss DD5 delay > Boss DD20 giga delay.

putting the modulations before the drives will probably help smooth them out some since right now you're sending a hot signal into them. putting the compressor pretty much last will help keep the levels steady. if you have an effects loop, stick the delays in there.

Thanks rolly, I'll give it a try at band practice tonight. My amp is a Fender solid state 2x12. I'm getting a tube amp in a few months...

[Zander]

What kind of guitar is that, D/S?

[D/S]

Zander, on Jan 30 2009, 05:25 AM, said:

What kind of guitar is that, D/S?

Ibanez AWD 102 NT Artcore Costume. Only available in Europe and Canada. I bought mine new a few years ago. I hear they have been discontinued.
http://www.12fret.com/new/ibanez_AWD-102_NT.jpg
I love it. If you ever see one buy it!

[BenM]

Currently my setup is guitar>Whammy II>Wah>Vibe>BYOC Mouse>FD2>Delay>Amp. It's working pretty well for me but the Mouse is new so it's still in trial mode.

[Shuggie]

Hey D/S....I have battled for a couple years in trying to setup my pedals in a way that allows me to have a balanced volume and tone....especially when playing out. I have come to the conclusion that one needs to be really scientific about the process. I have gone back and forth regarding using every pedal possible and pulling back and just using basics. I am somewhat in between at this point. In my opinion (and take this for what it is worth)....I would pull all the pedals out that you don't really use and get a basic setup. This site can be helpful in pedal placement: Pedal Placement Overview It provides the basics, but plenty of people would agree that nothing is set in stone when it comes to pedal placement. I would get the basics down and figure out settings that work with each other.....i mean I would find what you think sounds really good for settings for all pedals and your amp.....this is probably going to take some time and I would suggest that you write all settings down. I found that by writing down my settings, I had a baseline to start from and then made changes from there. I have different baseline diagrams for three different guitars. Once you get a baseline for the basic pedals....start adding in new ones, but every new pedal you add changes the mix and you will probably need to make changes...hopefully slight changes throughout. I guess the biggest thing is just write everything down and keep plugging at trying to get the best mix. Good luck!

This post has been edited by Shuggie: 21 February 2009 - 08:13 AM

[D/S]

Shuggie, on 21 February 2009 - 08:12 AM, said:

Hey D/S....I have battled for a couple years in trying to setup my pedals in a way that allows me to have a balanced volume and tone....especially when playing out. I have come to the conclusion that one needs to be really scientific about the process. I have gone back and forth regarding using every pedal possible and pulling back and just using basics. I am somewhat in between at this point. In my opinion (and take this for what it is worth)....I would pull all the pedals out that you don't really use and get a basic setup. This site can be helpful in pedal placement: Pedal Placement Overview It provides the basics, but plenty of people would agree that nothing is set in stone when it comes to pedal placement. I would get the basics down and figure out settings that work with each other.....i mean I would find what you think sounds really good for settings for all pedals and your amp.....this is probably going to take some time and I would suggest that you write all settings down. I found that by writing down my settings, I had a baseline to start from and then made changes from there. I have different baseline diagrams for three different guitars. Once you get a baseline for the basic pedals....start adding in new ones, but every new pedal you add changes the mix and you will probably need to make changes...hopefully slight changes throughout. I guess the biggest thing is just write everything down and keep plugging at trying to get the best mix. Good luck!

Thanks for the info Shuggie. I've looked at that site and there is some good information on it. I've taken two pedals out of my chain and added 4 since!

Here is the setup for my current rig:

EX-7 Whammy/Wha > Digitech Synth Wah > Boss OD > Digitech OD > MXR Compressor > EHX Nano Boost > Morley Optical Volume > Danelectro phaser > Danelectro Tremelo > Boss DD5 > Boss DD20 > Boomerang Phrase Sampler.

I'm going to sell the DD20. I just can't justify having 3 pedals for loops and delay. Anyone who's interested should send me a PM. I can bill via paypal/creditcard through my band's merchant account! :cool:

[McGuyver]

So thanks (a ton!) to Robbydog, I'll now have me a whammy dos to play with :rockon: :rockon: :thumbsup: :clap: . Very excited, should get here tomorrow. So I have to reorder my pedals and I come here for advice!

I think Zander and only a couple others on here run a similar set-up so if you guys could weigh in, I'd really appreciate the insight.

Currently I run AS73 -> Vox Wah -> ROSS Comp -> FD-2 MOSFET -> BOSS DD7 -> Blues JR

I used to have my comp after the OD, which was a VSound DoubleTrouble, but the comp before works better with the FD2. So I've heard that using a compressor before the Whammy gives it a nice smooth signal to work with, and I'm assuming I would want to pitch-shift before I overdrive, just as I would with phase shifting (wah, etc.)?

Would I go Wah -> Comp -> Whammy II -> FD2 -> Delay? The only question I have running that set-up, is that I have heard Wahs will lose [forgot the exact tone reference, its early, some bite?] when put before a Whammy. I don't recall if that's only for the Whammy IV or for all of them, but I don't exactly plan on using a whammy and wah at the same time, though I assumed this problem was referring to the bypass.

I do plan on getting a Loop-Master 2 effects loop loop (how many loops could a loop loop if a loop could loop loops?) to fully bypass the whammy and wah. I assume that they go in order numerically on the LMasters, so I was going to do Whammy in EL#1 -> Wah in EL#2, but if I'm never using them together and TBypassing each in a seperate loop does it really matter which order I put them in for the LMaster loop?

<-Confused, well sort of. yes.

HALP!

This post has been edited by McGuyver: 05 August 2009 - 05:47 AM

[Will Little]

I'd put the whammy first in a true bypass loop

then

wah>comp>fd2>delay

Comp after whammy will smooth some of the peaks it can cause

[Zander]

Will Little, on 05 August 2009 - 08:54 AM, said:

I'd put the whammy first in a true bypass loop

then

wah>comp>fd2>delay

Comp after whammy will smooth some of the peaks it can cause

What he said.



You usually want to put the Whammy, or any other synth stuff, first in your chain. Then your wahs and autowahs, and then your OD's and comps. Delays and loops are always last. Good job on the pickup of the whammy, and def. go with a TB loop.


Congrats duder!!

[Will Little]

yeah you want pitch shift first, because it wouldn't work well if you tried to pitch shift a wahed signal. However wahing your pitch-shifted signal is quite nice. Trey does the octave-down harmony + wah wah a lot these days...

I really like the octave-down+envelope filter a lot too...

[McGuyver]

Will Little, on 05 August 2009 - 08:54 AM, said:

Comp after whammy will smooth some of the peaks it can cause

This actually the exact opposite of how the whammy works with my current set-up.

I was reading on that compressor guy's review site (On the compression/sustain thread) and he suggested putting pitch shifters after a comp to give it a more consistent note to track with. Holy shit what a difference.

My NOW pedal order is as thus:

Cort M800 (Can't wait to get me a 900) -> BYOC ESV Fuzz (Had this before the comp and after the Whammy before, HUGE mistake, didn't realize the whammy's level control was buffering the signal that badly) ->ROSS Compressor -> Whammy II -> Fulldrive 2 -> BOSS DD7 Delay -> Hot Rod Deluxe

10x better :rockon:

This post has been edited by McGuyver: 23 April 2010 - 07:09 AM

[Zander]

When you say "better", what do you mean?

[McGuyver]

Well for the better comment I mean my overall tone. I wasn't getting the true sound of the fuzz pedal due to the whammy being in front of it, and I'd say my slides through the whammy are much much smoother and consistent throughout the shift.

The Whammy seems to track much better after my compressor, I was getting two note shifts (B and E on the 12th frets) to shift up an octave without digitizing and losing the tracking for most every shift, of course until towards the end of the guitar signal dying down.

This post has been edited by McGuyver: 23 April 2010 - 06:43 PM

[Zander]

The fuzz makes sense, but I've never thought about the whammy after the comp. I suppose it makes sense. I'ma have to play with it and see.



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[McGuyver]

Haha, yeah it's definitely a different sound, I think it sounds more organic and rich with my hollowbody, I forgot what you usually play on. IIRC tho I thought it was a hollowbody too :sleeping:, too early.